scio11: Fun with citations

Jan 15 2011 Published by under Conferences

Difficult to deal with references in an article, they’re locked up, so that prevents some discovery.

Martin Fenner – need to have a semantic meaning for citations

Melody Dye – citations fall under a Zipfian curve. we like to think how we cite is logical, but it’s often the principle of least effort (a la Zipf).

CiTO – citation typing ontology

Q need citations in context, how do you do that? (part of CiTO does that)

A need also where in the text, there is a semantic web solution for that.

A2 swan project from Harvard – semantically marking up Alzheimer papers

Q: why can’t a citation say I disagree with this knowledge claim, not I disagree with this paper  - needs to point to a specific section

Q: citations have this level of respect so they provide a grassroots way to endorse non-traditional products – some journals scream but others don’t.BUT when you do that, the aggregators rip those out (like WoS getting rid of dataset DOIs). What does Mendeley plan to do?

A: Mendeley hasn’t approached this yet. They took out the reference extraction part, but they are putting it back – but this won’t change anything that’s in the original document.

Q: WoS and Scopus aren’t transparent – about open bibliography – is there a way we can build this openly.

Q: open bibliography – does it really matter if it comes from a commercial entity

a: I need to be able to devise open algorithms for evaluation using the open bibliography.

a: the algorithms and the data should be separate

mendeley’s business model will be to free these semantically marked up data but charge for some of the analytics

q: in terms of sentiment – is there evidence that scientists will be as critical in something that goes somewhere. Sentiment always appears more positive than it really is.

a: (from me) have been attempts to do machine sentiment analysis

q: there’s no real comprehensive theory of citation (he talked through Nicolaisen’s review). lots of reasons to cite  - how can we account for this in the ontology

q: about students – teaching them the meanings of citations

a: from Bonnie Swoger teach examples and talk about citation best practices

q: comment about hassle with number citations

a: can just have mouseover of the citation

q: maybe this current system is the best possible compromise. in the beginning of the web there was the whole idea of negative links and stuff and it fell out

a: technical easy. move to adding structure to links. google has said we can look at rdfa. if there’s a payoff, people will do the work.

there are less than 40 semantic markups that could be used, the swan project is looking at these.

q: why do we need 1000 citation styles

a: the humanities folks fight that idea. but even in science – who can make that change?

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  • Thanks, sounds like an interesting session!

    "Q: why can’t a citation say I disagree with this knowledge claim, not I disagree with this paper – needs to point to a specific section" -- Yup, that's the important part. First we need to mark up the knowledge claims. 🙂